We're sitting in the Butlers Wharf Chop Hose overlooking the Thames.

It's November 23rd, my birthday and it's a cold Sunday afternoon.

Rain bounces off the board walk outside, but we're snug on the inside.

Graham organised a small intimate lunch, a great lunch as it tured out.

Martin and I got into our usual ELO v KISS arguement.

I know, but it's something we do.

I know in my heart of hearts that in a Celebrity Deathmatch special, Jeff Lynne would kick the ass of Gene Simmonds.

I was taking the piss out of their make up.

''But'' countered Martin ''Between 198- to 199- they didn't wear any make up and it didn't affect their ability..''

A moment later he realised what he had said.

Oh, how I laughed..